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Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:09 pm

Eucrid wrote:Actually did those kits come with sugar for bottling? You might need some dextrose/corn sugar to add carbonation when you bottle.
didn't come with the sugar, it says you need some though

gonna try and get it going this weekend

where did you buy lids? i'm sure it isn't difficult but must get the finger out

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Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:10 pm

Eucrid wrote:No you don't. That kit had pretty much everything you need. You just add water to the extract, then add some yeast and let it ferment. Just keep the fermentation temp within the advised limits and you'll have beer. The stuff I posted there is if you want to do boils with extract and add the hops and all. It'd be like the next step from what you're doing.

I did my first all grain today. Everything seemed to go ok. Have it sitting in a water bath under the stairs now. Hopefully all will go well.
cool, i was assuming as much

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Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:37 am

Ordinary table sugar does the job just as well I find.

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Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:49 pm

That was one thing I was wondering.

So you drop a little sugar pill into the bottle to gas it up when you homebrew. What if you go to a bigger scale? Do you still have to do that?

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Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:00 pm

Bigger scale how?

I have a spare bucket I use for bottling. Put the beer, add the required amount of sugar for the whole batch, gentle stir and then put it in the bottles. Easier than doing them one by one.

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Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:15 pm

Just thinking if you decided to do this as maybe a second business at some point so instead of bottling 50 bottles you're bottling 1000 do you still have to do the sugar thing or can you do it at an earlier stage.

Or is that how the likes of Heineken do it anyway

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Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:17 pm

Yeah, I bottle it from a seperate bucket as well. For a 23L brew you need around 100g of sugar to prime it. There are calculators online to figure out exactly how much you need.
What I do is boil the sugar in around 150ml of water for 10 minutes then let it cool down to room temperature. Then I put it in a the bottling bucket and siphon the beer from the primary fermenter in on top of it and give it a quick, gentle stir. I find you get a more even dispersal of the sugar through the brew doing it this way that just adding the sugar on it own.

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Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:21 pm

enemies/friends wrote:Just thinking if you decided to do this as maybe a second business at some point so instead of bottling 50 bottles you're bottling 1000 do you still have to do the sugar thing or can you do it at an earlier stage.

Or is that how the likes of Heineken do it anyway
They'd just stick the carbon dioxide directly into the beer rather than wait for the yeast to produce it. The fizz in the bottle is just carbon dioxide that hasb't been able to escape. What priming the beer with sugar when bottling does is give the yeast left suspended in the beer something to feed on.
Because the bottle is sealed the resulting CO2 produced by the yeast while breaking the sugar down has no where to go so is trapped in the bottle/beer. You can get the same effect quicker by just putting the flat beer in an air tight container and filling it full of the gas from a cannister.

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Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:25 pm

If you see "bottle conditioned" on the bottle it means the carbonation happened naturally in the bottle, from adding sugar or something else.

Lads who have kegging systems at home can for carbonate their beer too. Its a lot quicker.

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Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:36 pm

Cheers. That's interesting. I was just wondering if part of a bottling system dropped a sugar tablet in first or something :lol:

Spot the rookie :D

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Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:38 pm

A lot of craft breweries still bottle condition. I think Dungarvan do, or they were until recently anyway. I have some Evil Twin beer at the moment and thats definitely bottle conditioned, theres a heap of yeast at the bottom of the bottles.

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Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:05 pm

Had some Dogfish 60 minute IPA, we sell it in work. Lovely stuff, as nice a beer as I think I've had

Also Bell's Two Hearted Ale which was nice, but not as impressive as the Dogfish.

Was just think there though, that the first IPA I probably had was Brewdog's Punk IPA. Had a couple of cans at home the night before I flew out here and was thinking it's probably the nicest beer I've ever drank.

Don't know how ye'd rate it or the other Brew Dogs compared to others but I think they're all pretty great.
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Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:17 pm

Brewdog do great beers. Best of the British and Irish easily.

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Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:05 pm

Cool. Thought it might be their branding/marketing that made them the most popular craft beers around (from the prevalence in Dublin)... but yeah, tasty shtuff
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Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:29 pm

what's their hardcore IPA like? may give it a go sometime. going to call into their bottle shop before a BBQ this weekend and see what i can get. i haven't had a single brewdog drink that i disliked

had a few meantime yakima red at my work local yesterday followed by more doghead fish DNA

think i might try squeeze in a few brewery tours over the coming weeks

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Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:44 pm

The Hardcore IPA is delicious as well. A bit of a heavier taste than the Punk but it's not over-poweringly strong or hoppy. It's 9.2 or 9.4% so you obviously wouldn't be having more than one or two, but 1 or 2 of them is great

There's a good few breweries around here that I'm going to check out, though I work evenings and nights and don't really want to spend every day I've off in breweries
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Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:50 pm

Hardcore is great. As is Jack Hammer, their real IPA now that Punk is a "post modern classic pale ale".

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Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:09 pm

What Evil Twin do you have Eucrid? I saw a .35 bottle of Bible Belt for €13 in a bar recently. Can't justify that.
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Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:03 pm

Phierstarter wrote:What Evil Twin do you have Eucrid? I saw a .35 bottle of Bible Belt for €13 in a bar recently. Can't justify that.
I've had the Falco IPA and now I have a few bottles of Hop Flood. IMO they shouldn't be exporting to Europe as they've lost most of the hop aroma and flavour. Only bitterness and malt character left. €13 is crazy money for it, do not pay that. I'm not buying their stuff for €3 any more tbh.

Also re-size your avatar. Can't read half your post with it.

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Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:35 am

I've just ordered a boiler and wort chiller to begin extract brewing. I've another couple of kits at home to finish off but once they're done I'll move to extract.

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