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Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 8:41 pm
by Jack
I was a part timer on heart rate monitoring and was always freaked by it. My resting heart rate is in the low 50's but I'd be up in the 170s in no time. I think it's only useful if you understand it well and try to train to it rather than looking at it after.

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 8:55 pm
by enemies/friends
When I was rowing we did a lot of physiological testing including taking blood and measuring the levels of lactate in it. We also did a max output test which was basically going flat out til collapse to see what you heart rate was.

Basically we used this and the associated heart rates to set training zones.

Most of our training was in what they call UT2 zone. This is basically your aerobic area, so you can train at this rate and not actually feel much. It allows your muscles to grow the amount of blood flow thus meaning you recover better as you're working at a level where you can take in oxygen to feed the muscles. So we would do 60-90 minutes on the rowing machine 4 times a week in this zone which was about 125-145 BPM depending on the blood tests and max HR above.

We then had what they called UT which we did maybe twice a week and this was to push your thresholds of lactate up, so it was normally about heart rate 145-160. This is where you start of using your aerobic system then as you go longer it goes into anaerobic. The point of this is that you push back the stage at which you go into anaerobic and using the finite levels of energy in your muscles.

Then there was Anaerobic Threshold. This is when your muscles burn off the energy and you go into the reserves cos you're not getting oxygen into them quick enough. This would be you working at your HR max or almost up to it, so maybe 170-180. You don't really want to go here very often.

That's a very basic breakdown of it and hopefully makes sense.

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 9:02 pm
by Jack
enemies/friends wrote:When I was rowing we did a lot of physiological testing including taking blood and measuring the levels of lactate in it. We also did a max output test which was basically going flat out til collapse to see what you heart rate was.

Basically we used this and the associated heart rates to set training zones.

Most of our training was in what they call UT2 zone. This is basically your aerobic area, so you can train at this rate and not actually feel much. It allows your muscles to grow the amount of blood flow thus meaning you recover better as you're working at a level where you can take in oxygen to feed the muscles. So we would do 60-90 minutes on the rowing machine 4 times a week in this zone which was about 125-145 BPM depending on the blood tests and max HR above.

We then had what they called UT which we did maybe twice a week and this was to push your thresholds of lactate up, so it was normally about heart rate 145-160. This is where you start of using your aerobic system then as you go longer it goes into anaerobic. The point of this is that you push back the stage at which you go into anaerobic and using the finite levels of energy in your muscles.

Then there was Anaerobic Threshold. This is when your muscles burn off the energy and you go into the reserves cos you're not getting oxygen into them quick enough. This would be you working at your HR max or almost up to it, so maybe 170-180. You don't really want to go here very often.

That's a very basic breakdown of it and hopefully makes sense.
Makes sense....cheers.

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 2:32 pm
by shivo
What's the best approach for achiveving a certain running goal?

If, say, I wanted to aim for 15km in 90mins, which is 10kmph.
Would I be better off running at an average rate of 10kmph as much as I could and gradually increasing the distance.
Or would I be better off running for 90mins at 8.5 or whatever and gradually increasing the pace?


Also, I saw I guy in the gym yesterday run for about 45 mins in a polo t-shirt, jeans and loafers.

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 2:58 pm
by dwayne
I'd say gradually build up to being able to run that distance without stopping first, then hit goals on the way up to it. Say, be able to run 15k without stopping (at whatever pace). Once you've done that, then focus on times; try and hit 5k in 30 minutes, then 10k in 60 minutes, then 15k in 90 minutes.

What's your fitness like at the minute?

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 3:05 pm
by shivo
It's only ok I guess. Depends on your standard, obviously.
I ran 10km in an hour the other day for the first time in my life.
But I felt my progress to that point was very, very slow (15-20 fags a day doesn't help).

Up until a few weeks ago, I was maintaining a 10kmph average and going as far as I could.
in the last two weeks I started going slower for longer.
I'll work on distance then time, nice one.

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 3:48 pm
by dazzler
how soon would you guys leave it before weightlifting after having a cracked rib?

Three weeks since I injured it. I've entered the realm of no pain and just minor discomfort when I put pressure on it

I'm back jogging and doing cardio, but still haven't gone back to football or weights and I'm dying to go back

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 3:54 pm
by Mexicola
I would go back doing your normal lower body workout and a light upper body one to test it, if light doesn't hurt then increase the weights but if it does hurt stop immediately

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 4:31 pm
by never_green
shivo wrote:What's the best approach for achiveving a certain running goal?

If, say, I wanted to aim for 15km in 90mins, which is 10kmph.
Would I be better off running at an average rate of 10kmph as much as I could and gradually increasing the distance.
Or would I be better off running for 90mins at 8.5 or whatever and gradually increasing the pace?


Also, I saw I guy in the gym yesterday run for about 45 mins in a polo t-shirt, jeans and loafers.
I've been combining the two approaches.

Target goal of 10km in 50 minutes.

Midweek I started at 5km at 12kmph and started doing longer runs at that pace.

At weekends I started doing an 8km run at 10kmph and started upping the pace each week.

No idea if it's the best way to go about it but it's working for me.

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 7:26 am
by stateofyouboy
any reason why you would pick 15km? I would pick a race distance as there are hundreds of plans you can follow to improve your time and then if you wanted to do a race for the craic you're already trained up for it

few plans at the bottom of this page http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_4/145.shtml

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 1:19 pm
by enemies/friends
Was contemplating giving crossfit a go, but they charge some exhorbitant prices

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 3:39 pm
by dazzler
I'm exactly the same, it's $150 a month here, more than three times as much as my current gym membership

fuck that

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 10:17 pm
by enemies/friends
£50 a month for 2 sessions max per week, £70 for 3, £90 a month for unlimited. :o

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 10:19 pm
by eventSecurity
Dwayne, marathon is this weekend, yeah?

Best of luck with it chief!

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 10:32 pm
by dwayne
Yep, cheers! Feel better prepared this year than DCM '13, but we'll see how it goes.

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 10:43 pm
by Shatners Bassoon
Crossfit freaks me out a bit. It's like a cult.

I'd be very worried about injuring myself doing it too. Doing deadlifts/snatches to failure and as quick as you can sounds dodge to me!

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 10:44 pm
by Shatners Bassoon
Good luck Dwayno.

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 7:36 am
by stateofyouboy
i tried day 1 of the insanity workout, its ridiculously hard.

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 8:32 am
by Mexicola
stateofyouboy wrote:i tried day 1 of the insanity workout, its ridiculously hard.
I've heard people get great results if they stick to it though

Re: Official Gym Thread

Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 9:36 am
by stateofyouboy
yeah, i cant imagine doing it 6 days a week, you'd be in absolute bits. im going to use the workouts for the moment and maybe tackle the full thing at a later stage

even the warmup is a killer ha