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Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:49 pm

Phierstarter wrote:Finland has the best teachers / education system btw.
Not that I disagree, but what would you be basing this on?

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Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:53 pm

What i've read about it.
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Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:01 pm

Was i supposed to elaborate there?
Let me know if you're interested and i'll find some links tomorrow.
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Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:45 pm

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/ar ... ty/284427/

Could probably find a more informative link than that but it looks like Phier is going to do that for me tomorrow.

Finland is far beyond most western countries' way of thinking "better test scores = better education" like we have here, or in the UK, America, or in most other countries. They're focused on developing kids as a whole, rather than just churning out pieces of paper like the leaving cert, or a generic business degree in college, and calling them fully formed.

Their general competency test scores are always there or there abouts at the top, they've actually been declining slightly the last few years but the Finns don't care, cos they think such scoring methods and categorising kids, and people, as 'smart' or 'stupid' is overrated and outdated.

Our education system was developed after the industrial revolution to equip people for the workforce. We're better than that now. Sure everyone has all the info in the world in their pockets with google. Places like Finland, and more progressive education systems in other countries are more interested in developing things like problem solving, creativity, life-skills, etc. These things are better predictors of performance in work and life than traditional test scores and IQ scores.

I realise I've gone off on a bit of a tangent but my point was that the Finnish education system is more geared towards these things than most others. And they're all much better off for it. They've almost e

Good video on the subject:

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Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:15 pm

Not everyone will like it but the reason is competition. Their teachers go through a long arduous process of elimination. But they're also backed by public esteem, only the likes of which we give to doctors, or priests not so long ago.

They changed to a "topic" based syllabus recently. Allowing "subjects" to cross over naturally. Totally unmanagable. But when you're the 1% you can probably make it work. Hopefully the Chinese are watching.
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Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:38 pm

shivo wrote:Because of the amount of teachers who are just plodding along until retierment or are only in it for the holidays, the rest get tarred with the same brush of "only working 20hrs a week and getting months and months of holidays".

The flip side is that the good teachers easily do 40hrs a week, usually pay for supplies out of their own pocket, fight and fight agaisnt a brick wall to get the most for the students and have to put up with shit from the kids that make the office backstabbing and corporate lingo look easy.
I went to a pretty decent school, where we didn't really have any scumbags or proper dysfunctional students. But we were still a bunch of cunts to most teachers. I'd hate to have to deal with the likes of teenage me.

You'd have to pay me a 6 figures to be a teacher.
Spot on here, and although I liked the idea of it in school, having one look around me at my year and the school in general I thought I'd rather pick stones from a field for a living than ever teach, and never seriously considered it. Have tons of mates now who are teachers though and none of them seem to have had major problems with dickhead students. A couple of mates, and my mam, have done subbing in my old school at home and it sounds like its a different world to what we were in, which was only 9 years ago for me (Agh!).

And I don't think it's just my own school, feel like there's been a massive improvement in attitudes in schools in general. Just going on anecdotal evidence obviously. I'm sure there are still shit-stirrers in every school. Maybe teachers are like gamblers and don't report the losses.

Going to head abroad next year and teach english along the way to fund it. Hopefully the discipline thing won't be too much of an issue wherever I end up, cos I haven't given that side of it too much thought.

Going back to Finland, I've watched videos and read about their schools in college, and teacher-student subordination isn't even a thing, and there aren't really discipline issues as a result. It's the us-against-them mentality that turned us all into a pack of wild animals in my school.


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Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:10 pm

Offered a job for August, here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hsinchu

I'm thinking about taking this one.

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Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:41 pm

Go for it
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Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:57 pm

Uncomfortable climate, but..."As a result, the city has the highest income level in Taiwan."
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Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:19 pm

I hate wind

sure its probably no more windy than the donegal coast

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Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:51 pm

I'm gonna let them know I'm leaning towards taking it, but want to ask now about holidays, relocation costs, etc

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Thu May 07, 2015 9:26 am

Optimising databases: Serious business.
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Thu May 07, 2015 9:31 am

One month into my new job and delighted with the change. Never spending 4 years in the same place again unless they go out of their way to ensure I stay.

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Thu May 07, 2015 9:36 am

I'll be in my job 5 years this September.

There is no real security or salary scale. I should really move on but there's not much about in this sector.

On the plus side the work is fine and I finish every day at half three (8am start), I walk out the door and leave work in work.

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Thu May 07, 2015 11:07 am

3.30pm is like a half day to a lot of people, nice

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Thu May 07, 2015 11:44 am

I would consider 5 years itself to be "security", and salary should be negotiated harder.
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Thu May 07, 2015 3:27 pm

Just in a meeting where a manager said "prescription services" about a dozen times, when he meant "subscription services". You'd think he'd have caught his mistake, or maybe he doesn't know the difference.

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Thu May 07, 2015 3:28 pm

Also, now they have me "testing" new software. I'm gonna yell them everything works grand and just stay on the internet for the next half hour.

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Thu May 07, 2015 3:39 pm

there was a guy temping with us in an agency i worked in. couldn't figure out why he was taking ages to populate websites with the content we gave him.
turned out he was only spending a tiny amount of his time bothering. the rest of the time he was downloading software onto his personal laptop
that's you dwayne. sort of

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