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Shatners Bassoon
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Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:00 am

Kane's looked like a Gerrard special to me but Sky showed fuck all angles of it.

I also think that offside rule is bollox. Kane being there informs Lovren's decision to lunge at the ball.

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Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:28 am

Shatners Bassoon wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:00 am
I also think that offside rule is bollox. Kane being there informs Lovren's decision to lunge at the ball.
Clattenburg is in the papers today saying it was still off side too. It goes to show the rules aren't clear enough when even the refs disagree after the fact.

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Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:53 pm

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Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:09 am
Well Kane was offside for the first penalty. And for the second penalty was on Dele Alli so shouldn't count due to Boy Who Cried Wolf rules.
dont think I hate anyone in the league more than Alli

would love him to get a long term injury, it's exactly what he deserves for some of the tackles he's put in

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Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:48 pm

He's like Robbie Savage in the way he'll go down under the faintest touch one minute and start looking for cards, etc and then leave his studs in a few minutes later.

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Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:54 pm

When the fuck did Watford sign Delofeu?

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Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:28 am

Poch on diving: “Football is about trying to trick your opponent. When you do tactics, it is to try to trick the opponent. Twenty or thirty years ago, we all congratulated a player when he tricks the referee like this.”

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Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:37 am

if you can get away with a dig to the head, then why not

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Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:52 am

He is argentinian

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Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:27 pm

Here's the whole interview. Speaks a lot of sense as usual.
Mauricio Pochettino fears that English football’s tendency towards over-analysis, and its fixation on minor issues like diving, is slowly “killing the game”. Speaking after Dele Alli was booked for simulation in the 2-2 draw against Liverpool at Anfield on Sunday - his third such offence in as many seasons - Pochettino voiced his belief that the general mood of moral panic within the game, over what he described as “minimal details”, risks stifling football’s natural expression.

Pochettino also reserved harsh judgement for the use of video technology, saying that human refereeing errors were an intrinsic part of the game. Likewise, he argued that simulation on the pitch, while an offence rightly punishable under the laws of the game, was simply a sporting tactic rather than anything more sinister, insisting: “Football is about trying to trick your opponent.”

The Tottenham manager has admitted in the past that during his playing days at Newell’s Old Boys and Estudiantes, diving to win a penalty from the referee was regarded as a skill, one even practised in training. And Pochettino’s distaste for English moralising is underpinned by the fact that it was his leg over which Michael Owen dived during the 2002 World Cup, ultimately sending England through to the knockout stages at Argentina’s expense.



Doubtless Pochettino will be accused in some quarters of giving divers a free pass. Yet equally, he deserves a good deal of credit for trying to convey a nuanced, intelligent sentiment in a language that is not his first. He agreed that Alli’s dive merited a booking, although he denied that Alli was beginning to develop a bad reputation amongst referees. But it was the froth and furore that followed which he found most baffling.

“Look, it was a yellow card,” he said. “It happens. The referee was right. During different games, a lot of situations like this happen. The problem now is that we are so sensitive about the situation, and then we are so focused on Dele Alli. It’s too much sometimes. There is such a focus on this type of situation. I think it’s a minimal issue.

“Look, there are a lot of positives from Dele. Of course, he's not perfect. Nobody is perfect. Of course, he is a clever boy. He is a little bit nasty. The problem is that, more than this type of situation, I am worried we are going to change the game that we know.”


Whereupon the discussion abruptly opened out into broader themes: into the media, into English exceptionalism, into the very essence of the game. “Football is a creative sport,” he said, “in which you need the talent that grows in a very intelligent person, a very smart brain. And now we are so focused on minimal details. I am worried that in a few years, we are pushing the sport we love now - a passionate sport that people love to watch around the world - into a very rigid structure. With VAR, with focusing too much on small actions like this.

“Football is about trying to trick your opponent - yes or no? Tactics – what does ‘tactic’ mean? When you do tactics, it is to try to trick the opponent. You play on the right, but you finish on the left. Twenty years ago, thirty years ago, we all congratulated a player when he tricks the referee like this. That is the football that I was in love with when I was a child. Yes, in Argentina, but in England too. You believe that in England you were honest and always perfect?”

Finally, Pochettino argued that referees should simply be allowed to officiate and make errors unmolested by instant judgement and granular video analysis. “I am worried that maybe we are going to kill the game,” he said. “We love this game. Referees are humans too, and sometimes they are right, sometimes they are not right. In 10 months, over the whole season, sometimes it is against you, sometimes it is for you. For me, I like this type of football.


The Tottenham boss is concerned the game is being scrutinised to the point of death (Getty)
“My worry is this: of course if you dive, and the referee saw you, you are punished. And he deserves it. But don’t go more crazy.”

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Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:33 pm

Fred__Elliott wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:52 am
He is argentinian

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Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:05 am

He's right, interviewers after games are getting more dickheady every season.

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Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:11 am

yer man there was being fine i thought, apart from going back and asking the question the 2nd time, but Roy had gotten pissy with him before that.

The Martin O'Neill / Tony O'Donoghue thing though.... O'Donoghue has had that coming for a long time, and i've zero fucking sympathy for him, cunty and all as O'Neill was the last day.

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Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:35 pm

BBC comparing Aguero to Kane. Heres their sum of Agueros goals:

Season Goals
2014-15 26
2015-16 24
2016-17 20
2017-18 21
Total: 87

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Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:06 pm

Aren't Newcastle class

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Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:55 pm

Ryan Mason has retired after that head smash with Cahill a year ago. only 26.

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Fred__Elliott
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Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:08 am

Spurs we're fantastic last night. Some run they're on, easy wins over Utd & Arsenal, came from behind at Pool and Juve to get draws. Playing great football as well. Really hope PSG come in for Mourinho this summer and he fucks off. Would love to see what Poch would do with that Utd team not that I think he would leave Spurs for us

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Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:53 am

Think he's agreed a new contract, not that it means anything though. And yeah, we're playing great since Dembele has got back fully fit, hopefully we can hold it together for another few months.
2 points, 8 games, 1 hero.

The team for ENIC's first game at the helm, a defeat at Derby:
N. Sullivan, S. Clemence, G. Doherty, S. Campbell, L.Young, A. Thelwell, S. Freund , T. Sherwood, L. King, A. Booth, L. Ferdinand

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Fred__Elliott
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Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:04 am

Mexicola wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:53 am
Think he's agreed a new contract, not that it means anything though. And yeah, we're playing great since Dembele has got back fully fit, hopefully we can hold it together for another few months.
Wanyama is much better than Dier as well, so yous will probably improve even more once he is fully fit. Lamela was very good last night as well. It's looking good for ye, barring injuries. Only worry would be right back

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Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:17 am

Yeah Wanyama and Toby back should improve us. Aurier is an absolute liability, surprised more teams haven't targeted him tbh. Trippier's playing quite well but lacks any real pace.
2 points, 8 games, 1 hero.

The team for ENIC's first game at the helm, a defeat at Derby:
N. Sullivan, S. Clemence, G. Doherty, S. Campbell, L.Young, A. Thelwell, S. Freund , T. Sherwood, L. King, A. Booth, L. Ferdinand

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